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А что ж ты тогда там увидел?
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Грязный косочек неухоженной земли.
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И оттуда вывод про проклятое сАвеЦкое прошлое? А бардак на лучшем блошином рынке в Нью-Йорке тебя не смущает?
И
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Алла, ну он же ясно сказал :
Все, что с его точки зрения хорошо - запад, все что плохо - "наследие"...))
И
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Товарищ просто не в курсе... потому и вводит в заблуждение... На самом деле - ничего подобного и близко нет ! И в Москве "блошиных рынков" - аки грязи в парижском метро !)))Вона чо....Криминала нет, есть нарушение санитарных норм, что является административным правонарушением и штрафуется.
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Ага. Я же стараюсь быть объективным. Даже тему завел специально для выяснения, что хорошего в России есть из наследства. Ее замусорили, но пока ничего хорошего из наследства так и не показали.
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Кто про что, а Польша про "железный поток".
Немецкое правительство официально поддержало проект Nord Stream 2
08.04.2016 12:15
Правительство Германии заявило, что строительство газопровода Nord Stream 2 укрепит энергетическую безопасность Германии и Европы.
- See more at: http://radiopolsha.pl/6/138/Artykul/247882#sthash.FL6ZyrVC.dpuf
Немецкое правительство официально поддержало проект Nord Stream 2
08.04.2016 12:15
Правительство Германии заявило, что строительство газопровода Nord Stream 2 укрепит энергетическую безопасность Германии и Европы.
- See more at: http://radiopolsha.pl/6/138/Artykul/247882#sthash.FL6ZyrVC.dpuf
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Да , даже по телеку была или есть программа Малахова " Барахолка".Товарищ просто не в курсе... потому и вводит в заблуждение... На самом деле - ничего подобного и близко нет ! И в Москве "блошиных рынков" - аки грязи в парижском метро !)))Вона чо....Криминала нет, есть нарушение санитарных норм, что является административным правонарушением и штрафуется.
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Надо было просто выполнить договоренности (ялтинские в частности) и уйти из Польши. Но не ушли. СССР как обычно подло похерил все договоренности.
Остановили развитие Польши на 50 лет. Теперь они сильно отстали и им приходится догонять во всех смыслах. Потому и не хотят больше рисковать своей свободой, имея отношения с Россией.
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Poland and the Eastern Bloc
Further information: History of Poland (1939–1945) and Eastern Bloc
Because of Stalin's strong promises and admission of guilt over Poland, Churchill believed that he would keep his word regarding Poland, remarking "Poor Neville Chamberlain believed he could trust Hitler. He was wrong. But I don't think I am wrong about Stalin."[13]
Further information: History of Poland (1939–1945) and Eastern Bloc
Because of Stalin's strong promises and admission of guilt over Poland, Churchill believed that he would keep his word regarding Poland, remarking "Poor Neville Chamberlain believed he could trust Hitler. He was wrong. But I don't think I am wrong about Stalin."[13]
At that time, over 200,000 soldiers of the Polish Armed Forces in the West were serving under the high command of the British Army. Many of these men and women were originally from the Kresy region of eastern Poland including cities such as Lwow and Wilno. They had been deported from Kresy to the eastern regions of Russia, or sent to Gulags when the USSR occupied this region of Poland in 1939. Two years later, when Churchill and Stalin formed an alliance against Hitler, the Kresy Poles were released from the Gulags in Siberia, formed the Anders Army and marched to Persia to create the II Corps (Poland) under British high command.
These Polish troops were instrumental to the Allied defeat of the Germans in North Africa[citation needed]and Italy,[citation needed] and hoped to return to their homes in Kresy in an independent and democratic Poland at the end of the War. But at Yalta, Roosevelt and Churchill largely acceded to Stalin's demands to annex[14] the territory which in the Nazi-Soviet Pact he and Hitler had agreed to the Soviet Union controlling, including Kresy, and to carry out Polish population transfers (1944–1946). Consequently, they in effect agreed that tens of thousands of veteran Polish troops under British command should lose their Kresy homes to the Soviet Union. In reaction, thirty officers and men from the II Corps (Poland)committed suicide.[15]
Churchill defended his actions at Yalta in a three-day Parliament army debate starting on February 27, which ended in a vote of confidence. During the debate many MPs openly criticised Churchill and passionately voiced loyalty to Britain's Polish allies and expressed deep reservations about Yalta.[15]Moreover, 25 of these MPs risked their careers to draft an amendment protesting against Britain's tacit acceptance of Poland's domination by the Soviet Union. These members included: Arthur Greenwood;Sir Archibald Southby, 1st Baronet; Sir Alec Douglas-Home; James Heathcote-Drummond-Willoughby, 3rd Earl of Ancaster and Victor Raikes.[15] After the failure of the amendment, Henry Strauss, 1st Baron Conesford, the Member of Parliament for Norwich, resigned his seat in protest at the British treatment of Poland.[15]
When the Second World War ended, a Communist government was installed in Poland. Many Poles felt betrayed by their wartime allies. Many Polish soldiers refused to return to Poland, because of the Soviet repressions of Polish citizens (1939–1946), the Trial of the Sixteen and other executions of pro-Western Poles, particularly the former members of the AK (Armia Krajowa). The result was the Polish Resettlement Act 1947, Britain's first mass immigration law.
On March 1, Roosevelt assured Congress that "I come from the Crimea with a firm belief that we have made a start on the road to a world of peace."[16] However, the Western Powers soon realized that Stalin would not honour his promise of free elections for Poland. After receiving considerable criticism in London following Yalta regarding the atrocities committed in Poland by Soviet troops, Churchill wrote Roosevelt a desperate letter referencing the wholesale deportations and liquidations of opposition Poles by the Soviets.[16]On March 11, Roosevelt responded to Churchill, writing, "I most certainly agree that we must stand firm on a correct interpretation of the Crimean decision. You are quite correct in assuming that neither the Government nor the people of this country will support participation in a fraud or a mere whitewash of the Lublin government and the solution must be as we envisaged it in Yalta." [17]
By March 21, Roosevelt's Ambassador to the USSR Averell Harriman cabled Roosevelt that "we must come clearly to realize that the Soviet program is the establishment of totalitarianism, ending personal liberty and democracy as we know it."[18] Two days later, Roosevelt began to admit that his view of Stalin had been excessively optimistic and that "Averell is right."[18]
Four days later, on March 27, the Soviet Peoples Commissariat for Internal Affairs (NKVD) arrested 16 Polish opposition political leaders that had been invited to participate in provisional government negotiations.[18] The arrests were part of a trick employed by the NKVD, which flew the leaders to Moscow for a later show trialfollowed by sentencing to a gulag.[18][19] Churchill thereafter argued to Roosevelt that it was "as plain as a pike staff" that Moscow's tactics were to drag out the period for holding free elections "while the Lublin Committee consolidate their power."[18] The Polish elections, held on January 16, 1947, resulted in Poland's official transformation to a communist state by 1949.
Following Yalta, in Russia, when Soviet Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov expressed worry that the Yalta Agreement's wording might impede Stalin's plans, Stalin responded "Never mind. We'll do it our own way later."[13] While the Soviet Union had already annexed several occupied countries as (or into) Soviet Socialist Republics,[20][21][22] other countries in eastern Europe that it occupied were converted into Soviet-controlled satellite states, such as the People's Republic of Poland, the People's Republic of Hungary,[23] the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic,[24] the People's Republic of Romania, the People's Republic of Bulgaria, the People's Republic of Albania,[25] and later East Germany from the Soviet zone of German occupation.[26] Eventually the United States and the United Kingdom made concessions in recognizing the then Communist-dominated regions, sacrificing the substance of the Yalta Declaration, while it remained in form.[27]
These Polish troops were instrumental to the Allied defeat of the Germans in North Africa[citation needed]and Italy,[citation needed] and hoped to return to their homes in Kresy in an independent and democratic Poland at the end of the War. But at Yalta, Roosevelt and Churchill largely acceded to Stalin's demands to annex[14] the territory which in the Nazi-Soviet Pact he and Hitler had agreed to the Soviet Union controlling, including Kresy, and to carry out Polish population transfers (1944–1946). Consequently, they in effect agreed that tens of thousands of veteran Polish troops under British command should lose their Kresy homes to the Soviet Union. In reaction, thirty officers and men from the II Corps (Poland)committed suicide.[15]
Churchill defended his actions at Yalta in a three-day Parliament army debate starting on February 27, which ended in a vote of confidence. During the debate many MPs openly criticised Churchill and passionately voiced loyalty to Britain's Polish allies and expressed deep reservations about Yalta.[15]Moreover, 25 of these MPs risked their careers to draft an amendment protesting against Britain's tacit acceptance of Poland's domination by the Soviet Union. These members included: Arthur Greenwood;Sir Archibald Southby, 1st Baronet; Sir Alec Douglas-Home; James Heathcote-Drummond-Willoughby, 3rd Earl of Ancaster and Victor Raikes.[15] After the failure of the amendment, Henry Strauss, 1st Baron Conesford, the Member of Parliament for Norwich, resigned his seat in protest at the British treatment of Poland.[15]
When the Second World War ended, a Communist government was installed in Poland. Many Poles felt betrayed by their wartime allies. Many Polish soldiers refused to return to Poland, because of the Soviet repressions of Polish citizens (1939–1946), the Trial of the Sixteen and other executions of pro-Western Poles, particularly the former members of the AK (Armia Krajowa). The result was the Polish Resettlement Act 1947, Britain's first mass immigration law.
On March 1, Roosevelt assured Congress that "I come from the Crimea with a firm belief that we have made a start on the road to a world of peace."[16] However, the Western Powers soon realized that Stalin would not honour his promise of free elections for Poland. After receiving considerable criticism in London following Yalta regarding the atrocities committed in Poland by Soviet troops, Churchill wrote Roosevelt a desperate letter referencing the wholesale deportations and liquidations of opposition Poles by the Soviets.[16]On March 11, Roosevelt responded to Churchill, writing, "I most certainly agree that we must stand firm on a correct interpretation of the Crimean decision. You are quite correct in assuming that neither the Government nor the people of this country will support participation in a fraud or a mere whitewash of the Lublin government and the solution must be as we envisaged it in Yalta." [17]
By March 21, Roosevelt's Ambassador to the USSR Averell Harriman cabled Roosevelt that "we must come clearly to realize that the Soviet program is the establishment of totalitarianism, ending personal liberty and democracy as we know it."[18] Two days later, Roosevelt began to admit that his view of Stalin had been excessively optimistic and that "Averell is right."[18]
Four days later, on March 27, the Soviet Peoples Commissariat for Internal Affairs (NKVD) arrested 16 Polish opposition political leaders that had been invited to participate in provisional government negotiations.[18] The arrests were part of a trick employed by the NKVD, which flew the leaders to Moscow for a later show trialfollowed by sentencing to a gulag.[18][19] Churchill thereafter argued to Roosevelt that it was "as plain as a pike staff" that Moscow's tactics were to drag out the period for holding free elections "while the Lublin Committee consolidate their power."[18] The Polish elections, held on January 16, 1947, resulted in Poland's official transformation to a communist state by 1949.
Following Yalta, in Russia, when Soviet Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov expressed worry that the Yalta Agreement's wording might impede Stalin's plans, Stalin responded "Never mind. We'll do it our own way later."[13] While the Soviet Union had already annexed several occupied countries as (or into) Soviet Socialist Republics,[20][21][22] other countries in eastern Europe that it occupied were converted into Soviet-controlled satellite states, such as the People's Republic of Poland, the People's Republic of Hungary,[23] the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic,[24] the People's Republic of Romania, the People's Republic of Bulgaria, the People's Republic of Albania,[25] and later East Germany from the Soviet zone of German occupation.[26] Eventually the United States and the United Kingdom made concessions in recognizing the then Communist-dominated regions, sacrificing the substance of the Yalta Declaration, while it remained in form.[27]
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Она никогда и не была передовой страной и не будет. Это очевидно.
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Наших войск в Европе нет, а вот американские есть. Так кто не выполнил договоренности?
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Yalta Conference
But at Yalta,
But at Yalta,
Roosevelt and Churchill largely acceded to Stalin's demands to annex[14] the territory which in the Nazi-Soviet Pact he and Hitler had agreed to the Soviet Union controlling, including Kresy, and to carry out Polish population transfers (1944–1946). Consequently, they in effect agreed that tens of thousands of veteran Polish troops under British command should lose their Kresy homes to the Soviet Union. In reaction, thirty officers and men from the II Corps (Poland) committed suicide.[15]
Churchill defended his actions at Yalta in a three-day Parliament army debate starting on February 27, which ended in a vote of confidence. During the debate many MPs openly criticised Churchill and passionately voiced loyalty to Britain's Polish allies and expressed deep reservations about Yalta.[15] Moreover, 25 of these MPs risked their careers to draft an amendment protesting against Britain's tacit acceptance of Poland's domination by the Soviet Union. These members included: Arthur Greenwood; Sir Archibald Southby, 1st Baronet; Sir Alec Douglas-Home; James Heathcote-Drummond-Willoughby, 3rd Earl of Ancaster and Victor Raikes.[15] After the failure of the amendment, Henry Strauss, 1st Baron Conesford, the Member of Parliament for Norwich, resigned his seat in protest at the British treatment of Poland.[15]
Но в Ялте, Рузвельт и Черчилль во многом присоединился к требованиям Сталина к приложению [14] территория, которая в нацистско-советского пакта он и Гитлер согласился Советского Союза управления, в том числе Kresy, а также осуществлять польские переводы населения (1944- 1946). Таким образом, они фактически согласились, что десятки тысяч ветеранов польских войск под британским командованием должны потерять свои дома Kresy в Советский Союз. В реакции, тридцать солдат и офицеров из II корпуса (Польша) покончил с собой. [15]
Черчилль защищал свои действия в Ялте в трехдневный парламенте армия дебаты, начиная от 27 февраля, который завершился в вотуме доверия. В ходе обсуждения многие депутаты открыто критиковали Черчилля и страстно выразил лояльность по отношению к польским союзникам Великобритании и выразили глубокие сомнения по поводу Ялты. [15] Кроме того, 25 из этих депутатов рисковал своей карьерой, чтобы подготовить поправки с протестом против молчаливого принятия британского господства Польши Советским Союз. Эти члены входили: Артур Гринвуд; Сэр Арчибальд Southby, 1-й баронет; Сэр Алек Дуглас-Хьюм; Джеймс Хиткоут-Драммонд-Уиллоуби, 3-й граф Анкастер и Виктора Рейкс. [15] После провала поправки, Генри Strauss, 1-й барон Conesford, член парламента для Норвиче, оставил свое место в знак протеста против британского лечения Польши . [15]
Churchill defended his actions at Yalta in a three-day Parliament army debate starting on February 27, which ended in a vote of confidence. During the debate many MPs openly criticised Churchill and passionately voiced loyalty to Britain's Polish allies and expressed deep reservations about Yalta.[15] Moreover, 25 of these MPs risked their careers to draft an amendment protesting against Britain's tacit acceptance of Poland's domination by the Soviet Union. These members included: Arthur Greenwood; Sir Archibald Southby, 1st Baronet; Sir Alec Douglas-Home; James Heathcote-Drummond-Willoughby, 3rd Earl of Ancaster and Victor Raikes.[15] After the failure of the amendment, Henry Strauss, 1st Baron Conesford, the Member of Parliament for Norwich, resigned his seat in protest at the British treatment of Poland.[15]
Но в Ялте, Рузвельт и Черчилль во многом присоединился к требованиям Сталина к приложению [14] территория, которая в нацистско-советского пакта он и Гитлер согласился Советского Союза управления, в том числе Kresy, а также осуществлять польские переводы населения (1944- 1946). Таким образом, они фактически согласились, что десятки тысяч ветеранов польских войск под британским командованием должны потерять свои дома Kresy в Советский Союз. В реакции, тридцать солдат и офицеров из II корпуса (Польша) покончил с собой. [15]
Черчилль защищал свои действия в Ялте в трехдневный парламенте армия дебаты, начиная от 27 февраля, который завершился в вотуме доверия. В ходе обсуждения многие депутаты открыто критиковали Черчилля и страстно выразил лояльность по отношению к польским союзникам Великобритании и выразили глубокие сомнения по поводу Ялты. [15] Кроме того, 25 из этих депутатов рисковал своей карьерой, чтобы подготовить поправки с протестом против молчаливого принятия британского господства Польши Советским Союз. Эти члены входили: Артур Гринвуд; Сэр Арчибальд Southby, 1-й баронет; Сэр Алек Дуглас-Хьюм; Джеймс Хиткоут-Драммонд-Уиллоуби, 3-й граф Анкастер и Виктора Рейкс. [15] После провала поправки, Генри Strauss, 1-й барон Conesford, член парламента для Норвиче, оставил свое место в знак протеста против британского лечения Польши . [15]
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Какие именно договоренности? Американские войска там по просьбе европейских государств. И по той же просьбе там нет российских войск.
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Советские войска стояли в Польше тоже по просьбе польского государства.
И никто насильно их в Варшавский блок не тянул..
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Учи историю, невежественный человек, из Канады.
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Такие договоренности были?! Да, новое прочтение истории.
